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Should car selection be locked?

Car selection open, drive what you like when you like
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Post by Eagle32 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:13 pm

Inspector wrote:What about team points? The DuD's are ready to go.

Also protests - are we going to have them this season?
Team points would be good I think. It's always a fun sideline imo. Not important to me personally but it always brings a bit of extra entertainment :)

Protests are problematical because the server replaces the replay as soon as the track roles over just like individual computers, they can be auto uploaded but Riven wasn't keen on the traffic it would push through as there is no way to compress the replay first so they could be very large.

Protests would therefore have to be judged on individuals replays. That brings a whole lot of problems with it. Individual replays vary in size depending on replay fidelity as well and I don't believe there is a way to cut a replay? Not sure.
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Post by Sulley » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:22 pm

Cool, well name the Team trophy the DuD Cup, probably no need to leave room for other team names, given great showing by the baby DuDs last time round :D

I would suggest Famin and Eagle team up at least to give the palmy lads somit to worry about.... ;)

If we do have teams, does that naturally follow that Teams have One Car and use it then for entire season, as in real life.. if so that sorta closes the question re swapping cars etc doesn't it?
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Post by MadMarty13 » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:35 pm

If you do run teams then surely two driver teams would be the max?
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Post by UnbounD » Mon Aug 29, 2005 6:09 pm

Do what you like with teams, but Im not scoring for that, ask Liquid as It may be him that has to spend time working out who got what :)
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Post by Happy » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:12 pm

I'm looking at converting the vsk3 site to handle GTR. it's already set up to score individual points and add them together for the teams.
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Post by Snake Rogers » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:14 pm

Happy wrote:I'm looking at converting the vsk3 site to handle GTR. it's already set up to score individual points and add them together for the teams.
Do that Happy as vsk3 is banger :>
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Post by Happy » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:44 pm

It will be a copy and paste sack =p.
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Post by famin » Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:20 am

I disagree with both Teams and protests.

both just ask for acrimony and chite.

We had a good NGT series without that and despite the small flaming got near the end I genrally just didnt bother to protest all the times I was punted off in earlier races. I considered it racing incidents and left it at that.

Unless someone appears to be deliberately being obnoxious and actually tries to cause mayhem Im all for leaving the GT series EXACTLY the same.

Bush lawyers like in the Nascar series suck the life out of the racing for me.
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Post by Inspector » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:28 pm

Drivers who race arrogantly and ignorantly suck the life out of road course racing for me.


Teams were suggested for those who like to contribute to an event even though they know thay can never win, nor in fact ever get close to it. The difference between the skill levels in all our leagues is why we push for team competitions as well as the individual and I believe the TPTCC league grew from a small league to quite a big feild because Ron introduced the team format and it is a good example of why teams racng can be used in road course events.


Protests were suggested by me because I get sick of being shoved around by other drivers who pay no penalty for their misdemeaners. I have said it before and will say it again, fast drivers can recover from incidents but the rest of us must suffer on at the back of the feild, often unable to recover lost places due to others dangerous or ignorant driving habits. Sorry just does not cut it with me when I find myself reading the points after a race that I have been penalised in because of someone elses over aggressive or stupid passing manouvere or arrogant on track behaviour. I guess some people might be afraid they won't have any online racing to compete in if they have to pay the price in this league as well but people must be made accountable for the actions as well as basking in the glory should they out perform others.


I will race in the new league no matter what rules and format the organisers decide to do, but if we want these forms of online racing to grow then we must look at areas of the competition that effect all drivers, not just the top few and therefore keep the feilds at a good size, similar to what happened in the TPTCC league.
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Post by Liquid » Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:56 pm

Well we need to stop the people doing the big leap of faith and then ramming people at the first corner, i wont name anyone.

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Post by famin » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:05 pm

I 100% agree Liquid!

I read the last two posts as though Im the only one to blame and am deliberately causing mayhem.

I take umbrage at that! I promise on my mothers grave that I do NOT try to push people out of the way or deliberately hit anyone in GTR racing.

Yes Ive had a few problems in the first corner because I qualify well but that damn porsche gets swallowed up in hordes of ferraris off the line and I misjudged the corner a few times.

I race fair but hard once I get going (ask unbound or riven after that last escort round I was in) and I try very very hard to NOT hit anyone. The sheer levels of flaming afterwards are enough to stop that for me without the added weight of penalties.

I DO not feel Im arrogant Inspector and again take issue with you on that. Youve met me, was I arrogant or ignorant when I showed you round barcelona in my garage? Was I arrogant when we used to race in a draft in the first few nascar races? Have I offered to give training online if you or anyone wanted it from me in GTR?

In fact I feel there are far more arrogant self centred childish people racing online than me who show it in their posts as well. But then I guess we wouldnt be racing if we didnt have that competitive streak, would we?

jeez mate, its a public forum, I think Im allowed an opinion surely without having someone jump down my throat. Perhaps its MY posting technique and Im coming across too abruptly. If so, apologies, even with smilies forum posts can be very cold.

However I still dont like the idea of Teams or bloody protest committees.
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Post by Liquid » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:14 pm

Wouldnt it be great when someone caused a accident the game gave them a stop go. That would be cool.

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Post by famin » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:17 pm

define 'caused'. :)

perhaps something like: if famin's involved its his fault!? :rolleyes:
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Post by Liquid » Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:32 pm

Lol
No i didnt mean you Famin , i meant anyone.

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Post by Inspector » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:28 pm

famin wrote:I disagree with both Teams and protests.

both just ask for acrimony and chite.

Main Entry: acrimony
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: belligerence
Synonyms: acerbity, animosity, antipathy, asperity, astringency, belligerence, bitterness, churlishness, crankiness, harshness, ill will, irascibility, malevolence, malice, mordancy, peevishness, rancor, rudeness, sarcasm, spite, unkindness, virulence


Chite doesn't register at dictionary.com so I am assuming you mean shite?

From this I took as a very aggressive stance against my suggestions.


famin wrote: We had a good NGT series without that and despite the small flaming got near the end I genrally just didnt bother to protest all the times I was punted off in earlier races. I considered it racing incidents and left it at that.

Unless someone appears to be deliberately being obnoxious and actually tries to cause mayhem Im all for leaving the GT series EXACTLY the same.

Firstly I don't consider being rear ended off the end of a straight a racing incident, nor do I consider over agressive passing moves that take out other drivers acceptable. What do you do to stop people grass cutting, just because they can, what do you do stop people taking others out deliberately to prove a point. Yes you are a nice guy to meet and talk to and certainly try to have input into the community but your reputation on the track has grown to legend status and people even consider not driving in a league you are in because of what you have done to others on the track. When you practice what you preach and every second word of abuse that comes over Ventrilo is not highlighted by the word Famin then you might be on your way back to earning the respect you might have once had.


famin wrote: Bush lawyers like in the Nascar series suck the life out of the racing for me.
I'm sure an inteligent person like yourself does not need an explaination of how an insult like this would appear to the "Bush Lawyers" reading it.

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Post by famin » Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:47 pm

Inspector, hand on my heart, totally totally honestly I did not TRY and punt you off. I misjudged the braking point when I hit you.

Yes, I grass cut once for fun in GPL.
Yes I held my line in nascar for a point.

I believe I have never, nor will ever deliberately punt anyone off in GTR. and thats why I qualified my prev post with "in GTR".

If those other incidents are still being held against me then its time you all got over them. Plenty of others have done the same or worse.

I have no grudge against you in ANY series we run and I did not mean to be overly aggressive in using the words acrimony or chite (yes it IS a synonym for shit!). It was a tossed off post putting my point of view of teams and committees.

Teams arnt needed in GTR (imho) because generally you dont race together or even work together like in nascar.

and finally 'Bush lawyers' means to me people who arnt lawyers trying to provide judgements. I believe that the committee actually DOES do their absolute best in VERY acrimonious situations not of their making. Im sure no-one (correct me if im wrong) is an actual lawyer? :)
So again, it wasnt meant to be insulting to the committee, just to back up my belief that the penalty/committee scenario makes the whole thing too serious which in turn causes the racers to get serious and then when they get pinged to get bitter about the whole thing. And I dont want that in GTR.

So, despite realising that this post will only add to my 'legendary' status I hope this goes someway to clarifying my intentions re my racing online and lets get it on on the track!

Ill try and get ventrillo sorted tonight, I think a re-install might help so I can race and listen at the same time.

and if we DO have teams Ill race anyway. In fact what about if WE form a team? I think that would be a good thing for both of us. Sort of hands across the palmy-welly divide thing. What about it?
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Post by Riven » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:34 pm

famin wrote:I believe I have never, nor will ever deliberately punt anyone off in GTR. and thats why I qualified my prev post with "in GTR".
Yes, its a good thing you put in that little bit, or i'd have to point people at a certain other sim.

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Post by Sulley » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:45 pm

Why not simplify matters and state clearly that Wellington based drivers are not welcome anymore, irrespective of PAST misdeeds, real or imagined. O_o

Using the KISS approach, put in the rules, and save everyone the aggravation :rolleyes:
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Post by Inspector » Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:50 pm

Your on the wrong track Sulley.


Thank you Riven, not my place to mention but highlights the whole reputation thing for me.


Good post Brent. (Sorry Brett, written in haste as I climbed on me bike) I will take that all in and bounce it around in my head on my bike ride home. At the very least it should take my mind off my sore arse and the possibilty that my legs may fall off and if I take in one more breath of air my lungs may very well explode.....
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Post by Sulley » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:05 pm

Inspector wrote:Your on the wrong track Sulley.


Thank you Riven, not my place to mention but highlights the whole reputation thing for me.


Good post Brent. I will take that all in and bounce it around in my head on my bike ride home. At the very least it should take my mind off my sore arse and the possibilty that my legs may fall off and if I take in one more breath of air my lungs may very well explode.....
Wrong track huh, well not by the impression received at this end. Nothing like being singled out to give ya a complex. Why not forgive, forget and move forward.

As to reputations, well that is one dangerous road, there are plenty of others whose rep could do with a spit n polish, so just drop it huh.

By the way his name is BRETT, yes I'm sticking up for my friend, would you do no less, no I didn't think so.
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Post by MadMarty13 » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:08 pm

and ..lol...the battle of wills rges on.....and on.....and on.....and on.... :bounce:
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Post by Sulley » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:14 pm

MadMarty13 wrote:and ..lol...the battle of wills rges on.....and on.....and on.....and on.... :bounce:
Yes, but who's keeping score :D
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Post by Bold » Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:23 pm

Heh, you lot go on and on about the same thing nearly as much as all the old woman in the tea room at work..

So how about those Escorts tonight :D

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Post by Inspector » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:38 pm

How does this.....

Sulley wrote:Why not simplify matters and state clearly that Wellington based drivers are not welcome anymore, irrespective of PAST misdeeds, real or imagined. O_o

Using the KISS approach, put in the rules, and save everyone the aggravation :rolleyes:

In any way relate to this....

Sulley wrote:Wrong track huh, well not by the impression received at this end. Nothing like being singled out to give ya a complex. Why not forgive, forget and move forward.

One minute you think I'm picking on Wellington based drivers and then you get all carried away about me attacking Brett who is doing a fine job of standing up for himself.

Time to really take a step back Sulley and take some real chill pills.



Famin copped flack in GPL, Nascar, Live for Speed and GTR. Other drivers have caused issues as well, but Famins accomplishments have stood out and I am not afraid to stand up and say so. I am not happy to forgive and forget because the issues don't seem to be going away. That is why after he attacked my suggestions I got peeved and decided to say why I was peeved. Famin has offered an olive branch and I don't see why we can't go ahead from here.
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Post by Sulley » Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:14 pm

Inspector wrote:How does this.....

Sulley wrote:Why not simplify matters and state clearly that Wellington based drivers are not welcome anymore, irrespective of PAST misdeeds, real or imagined. O_o

Using the KISS approach, put in the rules, and save everyone the aggravation :rolleyes:

In any way relate to this....

Sulley wrote:Wrong track huh, well not by the impression received at this end. Nothing like being singled out to give ya a complex. Why not forgive, forget and move forward.

One minute you think I'm picking on Wellington based drivers and then you get all carried away about me attacking Brett who is doing a fine job of standing up for himself.

Time to really take a step back Sulley and take some real chill pills.



Famin copped flack in GPL, Nascar, Live for Speed and GTR. Other drivers have caused issues as well, but Famins accomplishments have stood out and I am not afraid to stand up and say so. I am not happy to forgive and forget because the issues don't seem to be going away. That is why after he attacked my suggestions I got peeved and decided to say why I was peeved. Famin has offered an olive branch and I don't see why we can't go ahead from here.
The first instance was throwing out a suggested course of action based on the apparent continued Palmy vs Wellington attitude...

The second comment relates in that in regard to supporting the feelings that prompted the first comment you highlight, the last part being a plea to move on, which you at the time didn't seem disposed to do.

I suggest you take your own advice and chill, isn't obvious I no longer see the benefit of being a doormat. Yes Brett can fight his own battles, however in the past noone has stood up for him in the face of various onslaughts, I'm doing so.

Time for another pot of tea..eh :)
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