NZNL Season 8 - Race 7 - Piggzport SuperSpeedway
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LOL that's the fastest I've ever seen a thread grow, it almost tops our gameplanet thread length at crack our faces off at each other after the race
I think calling 9 engines letting out the fatal puff of smoke 'random' is very similar to this:
I also think that the game remembering 'engine stress' from praccy to race is a complete load of , I, et al. have stressed the engine much before races (in fact at Piggzport I was caught making doughnuts at the end of the tunnel =]) and I went on to race and had no engine trouble what soever.
I have had engines blow up before where I had previously not stressed the engine in practice sessions.
All the talk about 'drivers could have done something about it', 'that's just the random factor in the game', is just all porkie pies
It was obvious the setup revved too high in drafts (and that's not taking into account what the grill tape was set at) but it's fairly clear that the setup was part of the cause of the engine blow ups, we have raced here before with few or no engine blowups.
Whether the points count or not, those that got high places in the race still have an achievement - 1st or 2nd place in any race is tip top.
For everyone that had a good bit of luck in that race, or raced well and got a good place, there was someone else who had a shitter of a race. Lets not forget the 9 cars that went pop improved the finishing positions of alot of the drivers who's engines didn't go pop.
The only people I'd expect to be heavily against canning points are the likes of Skuz and Prom and the other few that finished in those first group of places and did not gain anything out of other cars' engines going pop.
I think calling 9 engines letting out the fatal puff of smoke 'random' is very similar to this:
I also think that the game remembering 'engine stress' from praccy to race is a complete load of , I, et al. have stressed the engine much before races (in fact at Piggzport I was caught making doughnuts at the end of the tunnel =]) and I went on to race and had no engine trouble what soever.
I have had engines blow up before where I had previously not stressed the engine in practice sessions.
All the talk about 'drivers could have done something about it', 'that's just the random factor in the game', is just all porkie pies
It was obvious the setup revved too high in drafts (and that's not taking into account what the grill tape was set at) but it's fairly clear that the setup was part of the cause of the engine blow ups, we have raced here before with few or no engine blowups.
Whether the points count or not, those that got high places in the race still have an achievement - 1st or 2nd place in any race is tip top.
For everyone that had a good bit of luck in that race, or raced well and got a good place, there was someone else who had a shitter of a race. Lets not forget the 9 cars that went pop improved the finishing positions of alot of the drivers who's engines didn't go pop.
The only people I'd expect to be heavily against canning points are the likes of Skuz and Prom and the other few that finished in those first group of places and did not gain anything out of other cars' engines going pop.
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Wrong. So very wrong. Of course it was random. If it weren't random we would have all popped wouldn't we.BAZZIL wrote: I think calling 9 engines letting out the fatal puff of smoke 'random' is very similar to this:
Which only further proves it was random failures. It may not live up to your interpretation of random (i.e. random so long as no more than three cars pop) but it's still random.BAZZIL wrote: I also think that the game remembering 'engine stress' from praccy to race is a complete load of , I, et al. have stressed the engine much before races (in fact at Piggzport I was caught making doughnuts at the end of the tunnel =]) and I went on to race and had no engine trouble what soever.
I have had engines blow up before where I had previously not stressed the engine in practice sessions.
And if you'd bothered to read the thread fully you'd see that we already dispelled this theory early yesterday evening.BAZZIL wrote:
All the talk about 'drivers could have done something about it', 'that's just the random factor in the game', is just all porkie pies
Yes of course it was the setups fault...that's why all our engines popped isn't it. So obvious. I'm fully prepared to accept the setup had something to do with the engine failures...but in the end the failures were still all completely random.BAZZIL wrote:
It was obvious the setup revved too high in drafts (and that's not taking into account what the grill tape was set at) but it's fairly clear that the setup was part of the cause of the engine blow ups, we have raced here before with few or no engine blowups.
And that's the biggest load of wishy washy nancy boy Labour voting dribble yet. If the race doesn't count then nothing was acheived other than wasting an entire evening and getting a sore ass. We're here to win. All of us. Even those us that have little or no hope (like me). If we weren't here to win then us DuDs wouldn't have gotten so hot under the collar at the thought of Voda taking our precious championship off us right?BAZZIL wrote:
Whether the points count or not, those that got high places in the race still have an achievement - 1st or 2nd place in any race is tip top.
Yeah, and usually the person that has a shitter is me.BAZZIL wrote: For everyone that had a good bit of luck in that race, or raced well and got a good place, there was someone else who had a shitter of a race. Lets not forget the 9 cars that went pop improved the finishing positions of alot of the drivers who's engines didn't go pop.
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so skuzz, why don't you explain to me why we have never EVER had another nascar race where more than 5 engines went pop?
random my ass.
there will have been other factors taken into account as to why not everyone went pop but generaly speaking, It's complete bollocks to say that 9 cars going pop in one race was 100% random there may have been some amount of the random bengine blow up factor in there, but no way was it completely random.
random my ass.
there will have been other factors taken into account as to why not everyone went pop but generaly speaking, It's complete bollocks to say that 9 cars going pop in one race was 100% random there may have been some amount of the random bengine blow up factor in there, but no way was it completely random.
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Yes and I've already said that I accept the fact the setup had something to do with the failures. But that doesn't change the random way in which the engine failures were dished out.BAZZIL wrote:so skuzz, why don't you explain to me why we have never EVER had another nascar race where more than 5 engines went pop?
random my ass.
there will have been other factors taken into account as to why not everyone went pop but generaly speaking, It's complete bollocks to say that 9 cars going pop in one race was 100% random there may have been some amount of the random bengine blow up factor in there, but no way was it completely random.
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All in all, this weeks' race is just going to leave a sour taste in everyone's mouth - if the results are discarded, or if the results remain. And will become just part of the controversial history that we have with online racing.
All in all, this weeks' race is just going to leave a sour taste in everyone's mouth - if the results are discarded, or if the results remain. And will become just part of the controversial history that we have with online racing.
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Where is the actual physical proof that the game carries over any damage done to the Engine in Practice? Or are you just speculating?Riven wrote:It remembers the damage done to the engine during practise and qual.. so that engine was not only 7 laps old.wide load wrote:Wraith's engine blew on lap 7. That is hardly driving your car to hard for it to last only 7 laps.Skuzzlebutt wrote:Put yer calculator away mate, I'm suggesting that perhaps those that had engines blow inadvertantly drove their cars too hard. Surely you can see that this is a distinct possibility?
During Practice I was doing burnouts, going off the Jump, Taking Happy out several times, while also looking for Mikool. Just having a lot of fun without getting in the way of other drivers, and I finished the Race.
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I'm afraid the points will not be scored for the last race Skuzz!
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I'm afraid the points will not be scored for the last race Skuzz!
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Hey, like I said, I don't care anymore I don't want these tarnished points. I've said my piece...you'e all wrong, I'm right and bugger the lot of you.Inspector wrote:*****This is not an official statement - just an if...*****
I'm afraid the points will not be scored for the last race Skuzz!
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Well there was a particular race that had the 3rd gear hax qual, and a few more than the average number of engines went pop in that race, for those the popped their engines at the end of qual they were fine.Typhoon wrote:Where is the actual physical proof that the game carries over any damage done to the Engine in Practice? Or are you just speculating?Riven wrote:It remembers the damage done to the engine during practise and qual.. so that engine was not only 7 laps old.wide load wrote: Wraith's engine blew on lap 7. That is hardly driving your car to hard for it to last only 7 laps.
During Practice I was doing burnouts, going off the Jump, Taking Happy out several times, while also looking for Mikool. Just having a lot of fun without getting in the way of other drivers, and I finished the Race.
It's also been mentioned before that the strength of the engine is somewhat random.. sometimes it'll takes ages to make it pop, other times you just look at it funny and she goes bang.
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So there is a possibilty that Qual engine wear is carried across to the race but based upon what a lot of people are saying about what they have been doing during the practice sessions it is unlikely that the practice time over revving etc carries through.
Bold, Murphy and I were all in the top 8 and therefore did not qualify but we all blew our engines. It is not conclusive but more and more I think that driver input or lack of it is NOT to blame here. The setup put pressure on all of the feild but the game took over as it does with the other random failures and decided who would get the engine blow and who wouldn't.
Bazz, Happy, Bold and myself are getting together for a few games this weekend (anyone else interested? - might also crank up some PCC over the weekend) and we will be testing Nascar 2002 Season for suitability to use on Monday nights for the Nascar Stockcar League. It is my opinion (from memory) that the damage model is much better and more consistant than it is in the 2003 version and we will test it to see if I'm right or not. If this is the case I wonder if the random engine blows will also be more consistant in that version. Obviously the physics and graphics in 2003 is much better than the old version so I wouldn't be advocating a change backwards but it will be interesting to see the comparrison.
Bold, Murphy and I were all in the top 8 and therefore did not qualify but we all blew our engines. It is not conclusive but more and more I think that driver input or lack of it is NOT to blame here. The setup put pressure on all of the feild but the game took over as it does with the other random failures and decided who would get the engine blow and who wouldn't.
Bazz, Happy, Bold and myself are getting together for a few games this weekend (anyone else interested? - might also crank up some PCC over the weekend) and we will be testing Nascar 2002 Season for suitability to use on Monday nights for the Nascar Stockcar League. It is my opinion (from memory) that the damage model is much better and more consistant than it is in the 2003 version and we will test it to see if I'm right or not. If this is the case I wonder if the random engine blows will also be more consistant in that version. Obviously the physics and graphics in 2003 is much better than the old version so I wouldn't be advocating a change backwards but it will be interesting to see the comparrison.
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Skuzz I totally agree with whatever you say.Skuzzlebutt wrote:Hey, like I said, I don't care anymore I don't want these tarnished points. I've said my piece...you'e all wrong, I'm right and bugger the lot of you.Inspector wrote:*****This is not an official statement - just an if...*****
I'm afraid the points will not be scored for the last race Skuzz!
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Anyone see me sitting on the infeild at the end of practise?
Any one here me ask if you could blow a motor in praccy?
I binned my motor at the end of practice and it took quite some doing. Reason? I had been hitting the red line very hard due to the short gear ratio and was not going to have a motor go pop during the race.
did my motor go pop, NO!
Was any of this random, No.
Should we rerun........Do what you want, I care not
Any one here me ask if you could blow a motor in praccy?
I binned my motor at the end of practice and it took quite some doing. Reason? I had been hitting the red line very hard due to the short gear ratio and was not going to have a motor go pop during the race.
did my motor go pop, NO!
Was any of this random, No.
Should we rerun........Do what you want, I care not
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Well for the record, I pop my motor after every qualifying. So when I start I always have a new motor. This has worked well in that 8 seasons of Nascar, I've had 1 pop - Indi a couple of weeks ago. Which let me believe that pop was the random one given from time to time if the planets are in alignment, etc....
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I was thinking of asking you, but then I decided to make a coffee instead.UnbounD wrote:Anyone see me sitting on the infeild at the end of practise?
Any one here me ask if you could blow a motor in praccy?
I binned my motor at the end of practice and it took quite some doing. Reason? I had been hitting the red line very hard due to the short gear ratio and was not going to have a motor go pop during the race.
did my motor go pop, NO!
Was any of this random, No.
Should we rerun........Do what you want, I care not
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