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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by BADASS_CHB » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:31 pm

Sorry i have to disagree with you bull,
but everyone has own opinion,
I far from ford fan, but my dad had a old xa falcon that tow very well and the motor most likey still going,
It tow 18 foot boat most summer weekends and around 18 foot caravan,
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by .SLIDES. » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:31 pm

get a RB corrin g :)
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:33 pm

BADASS_CHB wrote:Sorry i have to disagree with you bull,
but everyone has own opinion,
I far from ford fan, but my dad had a old xa falcon that tow very well and the motor most likey still going,
It tow 18 foot boat most summer weekends and around 18 foot caravan,
Yea, it will tow it. No better then any other car though.

Im just saying, when everyone says oh you need a falcon/commodore to tow, you don't ... theres plenty of Japanese cars just as capable at towing as any other.

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 5:46 pm

.SLIDES. wrote:get a RB corrin g :)
I agree.

Even though I think RBs are overrated, there are plenty of better towing options for that price range then a commodore Corrin, which is the whole point Im trying to make.

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by pnpete » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:00 pm

Bull wrote:
Bull wrote:
BADASS_CHB wrote:years would tell, v6 will be still going ,
A 4AGE would outlast a V6 Buick any day of the week. Theres a reason why Corollas go round the clock and still keep going like new.
are u talking about towing or getting the milk from the shop, :rolleyes:
Towing mate.

The particular car he linked me to was an old Commodore wagon with a carburettored, automatic v6 in it rated at 160hp from new.... Hardly any more then a 4age. Sure it will have a bit more torque, but considering his celica is probably half the weight ...

Don't knock anything until you try it badass. I can tell you now that almost most fords if not all I would recommend not to tow ... and I work for a ford dealership!

I well tuned, modern V6 would mop the floor in towing for sure, but then a 4AGE is a good 30 year old engine as well so you could say a modern 3SGE would tow just as well ...
there were no carby v6 commodores made?

and celicas didnt come with a 4age

and its all relitive to what you are going to be towing

my vy had no trouble towing my 2ton 4wd around the place now if i had put that on the back of my wifes rolla im picking it wouldve given up

when i was towing the minisprint round with the safari it drove like there was nothing behind it.

so it really depends on what you are going to be towing around

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:03 pm

Yes Celicas came with a 4AGE ... otherwise Corrin can't even read his own engine tag right :larf:

The newer Commodores (VY etc) are fine, like Ive previously said ... its the earlier ones .. as I said to Corrin ...

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:25 pm

Terminator-141d wrote:both shit get a v8
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Naki » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:25 pm

2jzgte

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:46 pm

Naki wrote:2jzgte
A guy at my work is putting a 2JZGTE into a R32 Skyline lol

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Naki » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:03 pm

Wicked..Just about everyones going jz around the naki now..Theres heaps of them..And there will be afew in the drift scene this season.

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by pacman » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:06 pm

Celicas had a 3sge or a 3sgte didnt they?

And i hate to say it but hardings got a good point.
Had a work mate who brought himself a monster of a boat, not sure of size but she was big.
Anywho the only vehicle that had the towbar rating was a nissan safari and man could it tow, turbo deisel aswell.

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:07 pm

Id rather just put the JZ into a supra or other toyota rather then a skyline as theyre ugly lol but hey at least hes using a good engine.

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Harding Jr » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:33 pm

ok guys, coming from a guy who own's three Toyota Celica's. The only car's he has ever owned are Celica's.

The AT-160 chassis (made in New Zealand before the Toyota Factory shut in late 86, some in Australia and Portugal along with a few other country's all came out with Generation 2 4A-GE engines made between 84 and 89.

However the ST-162 Chassis's never were powered with mini 1587cc of 4A-GE but they started to be powered by 1998cc of 3S-FE (economy version) and 3S-GE (sports version) power plants. That were produced between 85 - 89.

There were also some All-trac model produced. These jem's run 3S-GTE 1998cc Turbo all wheel drive but in the same Generation 4 shape running the ST-162 chassis. I would love to get hold of one of these!

To the non-Celica trained eyes you could easily mistake the two chassis' for the same one. But they are slightly different.

And hell no would I tow in any of my cars! Just last weekend I had a full car of the guys going out to the rally and the loss of power was just stupid. That's only adding a few hundred KG's (chillybin inclusive) Adding a few thousand KGs and I wouldn't be getting out of 2nd gear!

Tow bar rating's are bloody stupid. The best way to do it is multiply it by two and then we are sorted. It seems you don't like agreeing with me Jono :larf:
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by pacman » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:45 pm

Harding Jr wrote:ok guys, coming from a guy who own's three Toyota Celica's. The only car's he has ever owned are Celica's.

The AT-160 chassis (made in New Zealand before the Toyota Factory shut in late 86, some in Australia and Portugal along with a few other country's all came out with Generation 2 4A-GE engines made between 84 and 89.

However the ST-162 Chassis's never were powered with mini 1587cc of 4A-GE but they started to be powered by 1998cc of 3S-FE (economy version) and 3S-GE (sports version) power plants. That were produced between 85 - 89.

There were also some All-trac model produced. These jem's run 3S-GTE 1998cc Turbo all wheel drive but in the same Generation 4 shape running the ST-162 chassis. I would love to get hold of one of these!

To the non-Celica trained eyes you could easily mistake the two chassis' for the same one. But they are slightly different.

And hell no would I tow in any of my cars! Just last weekend I had a full car of the guys going out to the rally and the loss of power was just stupid. That's only adding a few hundred KG's (chillybin inclusive) Adding a few thousand KGs and I wouldn't be getting out of 2nd gear!

Tow bar rating's are bloody stupid. The best way to do it is multiply it by two and then we are sorted. It seems you don't like agreeing with me Jono :larf:
Got no problem with agreeing with someone when theyre right...even if it is you :p

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Harding Jr » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:56 pm

pacman wrote: And i hate to say it but hardings got a good point.
:larf: You've got a wonderful way with words my friend! I had quite the giggle to that (: .
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Terminator-141d » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:05 pm

pacman wrote:Celicas had a 3sge or a 3sgte didnt they?

And i hate to say it but hardings got a good point.
Had a work mate who brought himself a monster of a boat, not sure of size but she was big.
Anywho the only vehicle that had the towbar rating was a nissan safari and man could it tow, turbo deisel aswell.
i had a 3sge in my learners car i could smoke the wheels till 4th gear hahaha
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by ben62w » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:36 pm

You guys want Towing power?
Heres my new rig at work :D .... (Sorry just have to show someone :D [LOL])

T404 SAR Kenworth
550hp CAT C15. 1550-2050 lb-ft @ 1200 rpm

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Corrin get one of these.. Best truck in the world! Fully Loaded im 50t. And still chugging up hills passing other trucks Just save around $300k and you'll be top of the game! :D
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Terminator-141d » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:37 pm

ben62w wrote:You guys want Towing power?
Heres my new rig at work :D .... (Sorry just have to show someone :D [LOL])

T404 SAR Kenworth
550hp CAT C15. 1550-2050 lb-ft @ 1200 rpm

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Corrin get one of these.. Best truck in the world! Fully Loaded im 50t. And still chugging up hills passing other trucks :D

yeah but i bet u cant smoke the wheels into 4th gear hahahahahha
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by ben62w » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:39 pm

Empty had them spinning today going into top box lol, So. 9th? LOL
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Post by Terminator-141d » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:40 pm

ben62w wrote:Empty had them spinning today going into top box lol, So. 9th? LOL
ok only one way we can settle this



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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by ben62w » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:42 pm

Yup.. Both towing 33t of sand up hill.. bring it haha
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Terminator-141d » Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:46 pm

ben62w wrote:Yup.. Both towing 33t of sand up hill.. bring it haha
sweet dirty old rolla could do that easy :P
o and u gotta be running on the rims :P
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by hawkins » Wed Aug 11, 2010 3:50 am

lol makes me laugh when all these younger fella's start giving advice about cars lol seriously im pissing myself ..

bull if you had half a brain you'd be dangerous :larf:

personally i have seen the old buick v6 commie motors do some fricken amazing stuff ... ( in the 4wd scene as pnpete would know ) in saying that the odd zukie jeep has a 4age in them .. but you just dont see them in anything heavy .... reason behind that im guessing is complete lack of torque
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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Bull » Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:02 am

hawkins wrote:lol makes me laugh when all these younger fella's start giving advice about cars lol seriously im pissing myself ..

bull if you had half a brain you'd be dangerous :larf:

personally i have seen the old buick v6 commie motors do some fricken amazing stuff ... ( in the 4wd scene as pnpete would know ) in saying that the odd zukie jeep has a 4age in them .. but you just dont see them in anything heavy .... reason behind that im guessing is complete lack of torque
Again someone who didn't read all of what I said.

What I said is that the Particular car Corrin linked me to was an early model and underpowered, and there are far better towing options out there. :rolleyes: He then said his celica couldn't tow jackshit, and I reckoned it could because of the experience I had with 4AGE engines (Admittedly Ive never had one in a Celica). Corrin then decided to post a topic on here and see how many people would spam post to get their post count up ... err I mean offer advice

From my experience in the many 4AGE cars Ive had I said they can tow that weight fine cause in my experience they have towed what Corrin wants to tow fine. In no way am I saying a brand new commodore will get out towed by a 30 year old 4AGE... As I pointed out earlier!

People need to read everything before posting!

And yeah Harding, I never realised how underpowered Corrins Celica is. The Celica he owns is considerably more heavy then all the cars Ive owned with a 4AGE, plus the fact corrins a meathead would explain why his is slow as fark :larf:

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Re: 4age vs v6

Post by Harding Jr » Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:30 am

Bull wrote:And yeah Harding, I never realised how underpowered Corrins Celica is. The Celica he owns is considerably more heavy then all the cars Ive owned with a 4AGE, plus the fact corrins a meathead would explain why his is slow as fark :larf:
It makes me laugh when older people think that because they are older they must know more than a younger person on any given topic :crazy: . Just joking with ya Hawkins, ya know I love you xox

I could help explain, the intake keeps splitting away from the throttlebody. After the airbox the previous owner has just clean cut the plastic air channel that channel's clean cool air from behind the headlight :larf: . His is probably a lot lighter than mine in all honesty, I just said how much mine weighed it would be somewhere near.

For the record when I had a blown exhaust gasket (sounded like a blimmen tractor!) over 150-200m (was it about that Corrin). My 2litre 3S-FE only had a bonnet length lead over Corrin in his 4A-GE.
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